tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32302521.post2287023135993092250..comments2024-03-27T21:47:38.050-07:00Comments on stevereads: In the Penny Press! Three Coins in a Fountain!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32302521.post-59829621538764496142007-04-08T00:59:00.000-07:002007-04-08T00:59:00.000-07:00But we all agree that I can eat chicken, right? I...But we all agree that I can eat chicken, right? I mean, chickens aren't <I>that</I> lovable...Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00289597293731183865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32302521.post-11149727522110193652007-04-07T18:22:00.000-07:002007-04-07T18:22:00.000-07:00And Beepy, kindly refrain from airing my private b...And Beepy, kindly refrain from airing my private baby-momma-drama in public. That mother seal was a bee-yatch who had it coming. Word.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00411174345391126343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32302521.post-59682533154249591842007-04-07T18:21:00.000-07:002007-04-07T18:21:00.000-07:00yes, it's a complex issue ... but it's not a diffi...yes, it's a complex issue ... but it's not a difficult one. With the thousands of medical products and services available at any US hospital, you can't be sure (often the doctors can't be sure either) whether or not each and every one of them has a humane past (although if you live near a large teaching hospital, I guarantee you there are dogs in some sunless lab belowground, being subjected to entirely redundant medical experiments, all to justify a grant). But eating is different - none of the meat on the menu is humane because none of it CAN bestevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00411174345391126343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32302521.post-65127895554858066432007-04-07T09:50:00.000-07:002007-04-07T09:50:00.000-07:00I've seen Steve eat a baby seal...whole...while it...I've seen Steve eat a baby seal...whole...while it screamed for its mother.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32302521.post-74613710243387123292007-04-07T07:15:00.000-07:002007-04-07T07:15:00.000-07:00Very nicely said--and not an ounce of weakness in ...Very nicely said--and not an ounce of weakness in the comment.Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15647399315827596767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32302521.post-61720972911918136962007-04-06T22:28:00.000-07:002007-04-06T22:28:00.000-07:00I guess my point here is that this is an issue tha...I guess my point here is that this is an issue that touches our lives in more ways than just the meat industry - it's a complex issue. As far as the torture of animals in the meat industry - it's truly abhorent, and even the most dyed-in-the-wool meat eaters must be against it - just as the vast majority of people are against the massive amounts of polution shot out by big agribusinness (though the man-induced suffering of the animals really takes it to the next level of terrible).<BR/><BR/>Not only is avoiding eating meat farmed in such terrible ways tricky for the carnivorous consumer, but even vegetarians have tough choices ahead of them (ie: the medical research I mentioned earlier - though, due to OSHA regulations, nothing like the tortures of the meat industry are allowed, and one could argue that the cause is more just, in the long run...), not to mention the challenge of buying <I>any</I> product where someone/something wasn't shat upon in order to make it so...<BR/><BR/>A couple things spring to mind, when trying to get my head around the subject:<BR/><BR/>1. It is perhaps more appropriate, sympathetic, and intellectually honest to, when addressing any of this, acknowledge that this is a messy subject, and even the best of us have a hard/near impossible time avoiding getting blood on our hands, be it due to weakness, expense, convienence, apathy, whatever. It doesn't excuse our resposibility to try, if it's what we believe in, but it's a more honest way to look at this.<BR/><BR/>2. As with most things, it seems that unfettered capitalism tends to make matters so much worse: the need to squeeze <I>that much more</I> profit out of the meat industry leads to the atrocities you mention (as opposed to a more regulated capitalism, which could instill OSHA-like restrictions to treating the animals so inhumanely...)<BR/><BR/>Just don't ask me what I had for dinner tonight, for I am weak...Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00289597293731183865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32302521.post-35276021673367482952007-04-06T17:39:00.000-07:002007-04-06T17:39:00.000-07:00While treated far better than their soon-to-be-foo...While treated far better than their soon-to-be-food bretheren, animals (monkeys, rabbits, cats, dogs, guinnea pigs, mice, rats, & chickens) are dosed with drugs; wired with telemetry; decapitated; impregnated, killed, then c-sectioned, the babies diescted; and more - all for various types of research by drug companies and such to create new medicines (human and verterinary) & test products for the potential to cause birth defects. If we're talking full disclosure here, we should keep the above in mind when we take a pill, or visit the doctor...Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00289597293731183865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32302521.post-73516632519652617652007-04-06T16:20:00.000-07:002007-04-06T16:20:00.000-07:00And by Umm, I meant, Mmm.And by Umm, I meant, Mmm.Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15647399315827596767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32302521.post-25061098555715823832007-04-06T16:18:00.000-07:002007-04-06T16:18:00.000-07:00Umm, hippo-grits...best with cheese...However, it'...Umm, hippo-grits...best with cheese...<BR/><BR/>However, it's true, you shouldn't eat meat, particularly meat from restaurants or from the grocery store. In these cases, not only was the animal killed, but you can be dead-set certain it was TORTURED before dying, usually all it's wretched life. Your chicken almost certainly lived in a shoebox sized cage with so little room to move that its feet became physically embedded in the bars beneath it. In all likelihood its beak was cut off so that when it went insane--as a result of being crammed with food and living in a room where they never turn the lights off--and began attacking it neighbors it wouldn't peck them to death.<BR/><BR/>The pig you're served had it's tail cut off for the same reason, so that it's maddened neighbor wouldn't bite it. The cow you eat stands in a narrow chute hardly wider than its body all its life until it's mercifully slaughtered, never doing anyting but eating, defecating on itself, and becoming deranged. <BR/><BR/>We should be mindful calling out hypocrites. If we can raise an animal and then kill it and eat it, that's one thing perhaps; but if we rely on industrial torture for our dinners, and insist upon being utterly unaware of such practices in order to enjoy the food, that's another.<BR/><BR/>Well! THAT was insufferably preachy, wasn't it! We return to our regularly scheduled wisecracks.Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15647399315827596767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32302521.post-5517945683132188902007-04-06T15:07:00.000-07:002007-04-06T15:07:00.000-07:00Why, I've seen Steve come back from a buffet with ...Why, I've seen Steve come back from a buffet with a bowl-full of <B>Hippo-Grits!</B> 'Sucked em down with a <I>straw!</I>Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00289597293731183865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32302521.post-49371167695958221862007-04-05T10:13:00.000-07:002007-04-05T10:13:00.000-07:00Bacon, hell. I've seen Steve come back from the bu...Bacon, hell. I've seen Steve come back from the buffet with an entire plate of baby lamb. Which he ate! With a spoon!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32302521.post-54812150317001559222007-04-04T19:53:00.000-07:002007-04-04T19:53:00.000-07:00that is indeed what I'm saying: don't eat meat. If...that is indeed what I'm saying: don't eat meat. If you live someplace where the choice every single time is easy, where there are non-meat alternatives SHOVED UNDER YOUR NOSE, don't choose the meat alternative just because of momentum, or because it tastes better. Pick the salad or pasta instead. Start with what's easy, and work from there.<BR/><BR/>And as for Jeff's allegedly eyewitness testimony, well .... surely NOBOBY could eat an entire plate of bacon, so he MUST be wrong...stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00411174345391126343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32302521.post-80855874286855330932007-04-04T18:47:00.000-07:002007-04-04T18:47:00.000-07:00What was Pope Benedict's role in killing John Paul...What was Pope Benedict's role in killing John Paul I? Do you mean this literally? It sounds like the stuff of Elizabethan tragedy!Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15647399315827596767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32302521.post-5823819826396134442007-04-04T17:18:00.000-07:002007-04-04T17:18:00.000-07:00That does seem to be the thrust of this, which con...That does seem to be the thrust of this, which confuses me as well. I've seen Steve at a breakfast buffet take a plate of ONLY bacon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32302521.post-49038146636411522032007-04-04T17:17:00.000-07:002007-04-04T17:17:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05884498632658933283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32302521.post-40453655401083282722007-04-04T15:48:00.000-07:002007-04-04T15:48:00.000-07:00So - what? - you're saying that we shouldn't eat m...So - what? - you're saying that we shouldn't eat meat? YOU are saying that we shouldn't eat meat?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com